kyrias: (pic#715079)kyrias ([personal profile] kyrias) wrote,
@ 2011-02-11 02:42 am UTC
Current mood: aggravated
Entry tags:privilege, racism
 It's near 3am and I'm near incoherence with frustration and need for sleep. 

I spent a while talking with my friend about racism and other -isms after she opened up the floor with a question about cultural appropriation. 

I failed to get across to my friend why.

Why I cringe when an Asian character is portrayed a certain way on television.
A: Because when you're part of the minority, you know that every single person who wears your skin color in media might as well wear your face because that person is who people are going to think of when they can't see past skin colour. 

Why exactly it's so offensive when you're at a panel about popular myths at Arisia, and when you comment that you would really, dearly, love to see more narratives about mythologies other than the ubiquitous ones of werewolves and vampires and fae -- any. And they come back with "YOU should write it, if you want to see it." Why, leaving that panel, you stumble through alternating cramps of hot and cold somewhere in the vicinity of your stomach and heart and feel oddly in need of tears, of screaming incoherent rambling, of something to take away the sting. 
A: Because they're telling you that you don't matter, that you can either suck it up or you can go home where your majority is. That you're not their demographic and they couldn't care less about "coddling" you. That your story doesn't matter, that it's not as interesting, not as worthy of writing about. 

Friend came back with: "Well, when women wanted more women in Sci-fi and Fantasy, they started writing it themselves." 

Implying that we should all pull ourselves up by our bootstraps. 

That's fine. I didn't belabor the point. 

It's hard speaking to privilege. And some days it's so hard to work past what seems logical, until you realize that it's not logical at all because nothing about -isms really is about logic. It's just about plain laziness, plain apathy, and plain blindness. 

I've been finding it hard to continue writing Estyria, my fantasy novel, but now I know that I must continue. Even for nothing else, for no one else except myself. 

It's a Chinese, female protagonist who takes on dynastic China and all its -isms and not only lives to tell the tale, but gets to have her man too. 

For every book that I could have read by an author who insists on writing her 200th (yes, I counted, Amanda Quick) female protagonist with red/blond/golden brown hair and green/blue eyes -- I shall write and dream of a day when I can randomly pick up a book in the bookstore and see almond shaped, dark brown eyes smiling back at me from a cover that isn't flogging the dead horse that is China in the days of Mao's power trip. 


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dhobikikutti: earthen diya (diya)


[personal profile] dhobikikutti
2011-02-11 03:19 pm UTC (link)
Here from over where you linked the post.
Wow, I'm sorry Arisia was rough on you. I've been in face to face discussions like the ones you talked about, and yeah. It always leaves me feeling sick and miserable.

I hope you can stick it out and write Estyria. Because that's the kind of book I would like to see more of to.

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[personal profile] vi
2011-02-11 03:56 pm UTC (link)
I would love to read a novel like Estyria. *__* I'm so sorry that the discussions you were involved in were like running into brick walls.

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geminianeyes: Young Miles comforting young Fran (Miles comforting young Fran)


[personal profile] geminianeyes
2011-02-13 05:26 am UTC (link)
Here from your link.

And I would love to read that book. Yes, I would love more novels and shorts set in old China rather than Mao's era.

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[personal profile] kyrias
2011-02-13 09:00 pm UTC (link)
Yay! There's interest!
I used to read Chinese romance novels, and a great deal of them were set in Old AU China and they were GREAT mindless fluffy awesomeness.

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[personal profile] geminianeyes
2011-02-13 11:55 pm UTC (link)
Yes, they were! Unfortunately I tended to read more comics than novels set in that area hahaha. ^^l

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Book recs


[personal profile] mme_hardy
2011-02-13 10:18 pm UTC (link)
I am sorry you had such an unpleasant encounter. I would very much love to read your book.

A book I thoroughly enjoyed -- and you might well enjoy -- was Cindy Pon's Silver Phoenix.

http://www.amazon.com/Silver-Phoenix-Beyond-Kingdom-Xia/dp/0061730211

I also have Jeannie Lin's Butterfly Swords, but it's on the floorpile and hasn't been read yet.
http://www.amazon.com/Butterfly-Swords-Harlequin-Historical-Jeannie/dp/0373296142/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1297635401&sr=1-1

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Re: Book recs


[personal profile] kyrias
2011-02-13 11:20 pm UTC (link)
Silver Pheonix has been popping up on my Amazon recs, but I wasn't sure I wanted to go into YA. Mostly because I have a soft spot for sappy romance and fluffy love. Armed with recs though, I'm definitely putting this on my to-get list. Library, here I come. :D

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[personal profile] sparkymonster
2011-02-17 12:34 am UTC (link)
I've found Arisia to be a difficult place to discuss race. I'm really sorry it you hard.

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[personal profile] kyrias
2011-02-17 12:38 am UTC (link)
I'm moving to the point where I don't think I'm going to Arisia unless I have scads of money to just throw about willy-nilly. In that case, I'll just be there for the lulz, to hang out with friends, and for dealer's row.

Right now, when money is something to be worried over, I don't think I'll be going to Arisia. It's like paying to have salt thrown in your eyes.

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[personal profile] sparkymonster
2011-02-19 03:10 am UTC (link)
Arisia is just...meh. MEH.

I used to love it but now yeah. It's only worth it to me to see my friends and check out various dealers.

I just. There is such an attitude of "I can't possibly be racist! You are the racist for implying that anyone in the genre could possibly ever have a racist thought. Also, we're in Boston where there has never been racism! That only happens in the South."

FUUUUCK.

Anyway.

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[identity profile] contradictacat.livejournal.com
2011-02-21 11:18 pm UTC (link)
(here from a friend's link)
"I can't possibly be racist! You are the racist for implying that anyone in the genre could possibly ever have a racist thought. Also, we're in Boston where there has never been racism! That only happens in the South."
Oh, so much lol. Those people might want to ask any black player for the Celtics what they were told or asked once they signed up. Or anyone at Harvard who has been told that they couldn't have a party at a local bar because they were black. Sure, Boston doesn't have a problem with race. I'll believe that the day that Glenn Beck votes Democratic.

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[identity profile] contradictacat.livejournal.com
2011-02-21 11:20 pm UTC (link)
I'm running a panel on Race in LARP at Intercon this year (2nd gen Taiwanese), and I'm freaking terrified of it because of the exact same attitudes you ran into. Geek already has a problem of addressing Issues and checking their privilege, and it's only worsened when they think that by virtue of it being 2011 and being in the North, it's not an issue or has easy solutions.

And I would love to read a novel set in Old China. Problem with a lot of fiction set back then is that it also tends to fall into the "Oooh, mysterious Orient" stereotype. Having a book that Does It Right would be amazing.

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[personal profile] kyrias
2011-02-22 01:07 am UTC (link)
Oh my. *fans face* I'm not saying I'll Do It Right, but at least we're not doing the mysterious orient bit. We're also not doing the dragon lady bit. And we're not going into the romanticizing of whores and concubines. BUT we're totally going into fanficcing of history territory, and hey, if it tanks, I figure with y'all looking out for me, at least the next draft will be better.

As it's moving along, Estyria is actually picking up bits and pieces from other places. The Korean bit with the voting council (am I getting this right?), but with the *zhao chao* bit thrown in. Hanfu robes, Tang dynasty levels of female progressiveness and so forth.

Geeks. I just want to wave around a sign that says: " The bar for "So smart you will automatically be loved and admired, even if you behave like a wild squirrel brought indoors" is set much, much higher than you think it is, and you are probably in no danger of concussing yourself on it." Quoting commodorified on LJ, who has an awesome screed on geeks behaving badly.

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